Ethanol Questions

txcaptdan · Post by **txcaptdan** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:57 am

With the addition of ethanol into the fuel chain, should we be adding some sort of additional filter in line from our fuel tanks to capture moisture generated by this type fuel?

A lot of inboards already have this but most older outboards do not, just a straight fuel line with pressure bulb to engine.
Will an inline filter work on a bulb line?

I have also read that mixing old MTBE fuel and ethanol is a bad thing as it tends to make a sludge that gets into everything bringing some engines to a hault. This is a huge problem with big boats in marinas.

The factory filter at fuel pumps on engine is no good for this new problem.
I have an old fuel water seperator from a big cruiser but it is as large as an old oil filter.

Has anyone tried filtering before with outboards? What did you do?

JoeCB · Post by **JoeCB** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:41 pm

Assuming we are not talking about the high ethanol E85 blend, just the 10% or so "usual" consumer fuel mix... I thing the problem with older outboards is more acute than a little moisture retention. The alcohol in these new fuel blends will attack and soften the rubber hoses, seals and pump diaphrams in older motors , both outboards as well as automobiles. Also carb floats made of cork will have the old style shellac coating stripped leading to soaked floats and flooded engines. If you don't put many hours on your motors and drain carbs after each use this may be a gradual degradition with the 10% fuels. At present, I try to use 100% gasoline, which is still available in MI. I usually run Shell as it's reputed to have no alcohol... though I've not been able to verify this.
Joe B

a j r · Post by **a j r** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:21 am

I can't answer your question about filters. I was told by the guy that built my twin 1957 Johnson 35's to NOT use ethanol at all. He said it eats the seals and hoses, etc...like Joe mentioned.

I purchase all my fuel at a land station that sells non-ethanol fuel or on the lake, which is always non-ethanol (at least in this neck of the woods).

Andreas

Shaun E. · Post by **Shaun E.** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:19 pm

I have installed water seperators in many boats with outboards back in the mid 90s when RFG(reformulated gas) was forced into this area. OMC sent us a service bulletin saying it was ok to use, suggesting the use of ethanol over MTBE or methanol due to the corrosive nature of the latter. The big problem comes into play with boats with inboard fuel tanks because the shelf life of RFG is only a week before it starts to breakdown. OMC suggested using 2+4 fuel conditioner to extend the shelf life and to help with some of the contaminents of the fuel. I still have the bulletin if anyone wants to see it, I can scan and email it to you. Shaun

thegammas · Post by **thegammas** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:27 pm

Actually - I would like to see that bulletin Shaun. Also, I saw a product on OldMercs.com which was a water capture devise that you place in the tank - I believe it works by absorbing the water that collects. It's of a size that would fit in my 6 gallon on-deck tanks.

Shaun E. · Post by **Shaun E.** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:18 pm

I will have to go and get it from my fathers house where all my papers are, so have patience and I will send it. Shaun

thegammas · Post by **thegammas** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:29 am

any time is fine - i'm all laid up as it is - thanks!